Tag Archive: 2011 Senior Bowl


Scouting Report:

In my opinion Stanzi is underrated and he can be a quality NFL starting QB. (AP Photo/Al Goldis)

Positives: Stanzi has solid size as he is pretty tall at an official 6’4” even if he does look skinny on film. He has underrated mobility and can be really tough to sack when trying to arm tackle him. He is very evasive in the pocket and has an uncanny ability to dip his shoulder or spin away from tacklers trying to take him down in the backfield. Stanzi also has a very good feel for the pocket and while he took more sacks this year than I remember seeing him take his junior year that was usually caused (in my opinion at least) by his receivers struggling to create separation, particularly against man coverage. So instead of forcing passes downfield against good coverage constantly like he did as a junior he would hold onto the ball and take a sack, which is definitely better than risking a turnover. I was also impressed by Stanzi’s arm strength. I thought it was alright, but it is actually quite good and it allows him to make every NFL throw. He can also fit the ball into tight windows because he can put enough zip on it to get it to his receiver before the defenders near him can close. This makes Stanzi particularly effective in zone coverage because even if they read his eyes quickly enough and start to break on the ball he has the arm strength to get it to his receiver before they can shut the window, and I have seen him make throws like this many times. He is also surprisingly accurate. He doesn’t have amazing accuracy, but it is definitely good. He also throws a pretty good ball on the run, though he tends to miss high on the run I have noticed. His footwork is good and he has plenty of experience in a pro style offense because of his two years of starting experience at Iowa, he is very comfortable with play action fakes, reading plays from under center and he makes pre-snap adjustments regularly as well. I am also inclined to believe that Stanzi has good intangibles, is a good teammate and a good leader. He also has pretty good footwork and while his throwing motion isn’t the fastest it is definitely not slow, but could be tweaked a bit and made faster.

Negatives: First and foremost Stanzi struggles a lot with the deep ball. I have not been particularly impressed with him throwing the fade route or on deep balls in general. He improved his decision making dramatically from his Junior season but he will still force throws into good coverage (often double coverage) downfield and because he doesn’t have a rocket arm he often puts a lot of air under his throws. That gives the coverage even more time to adjust and break on the ball, leading to a lot of tipped balls and near interceptions. So while he has come a long way in the decision making department he still has some improvement to make, especially when it comes to taking shots downfield. Stanzi’s accuracy is good overall, but at times it can be inconsistent and he rarely places the ball well on deep throws. While I believe Stanzi has a good feel for the pocket and buys time very well in the pocket he took a lot of sacks this year (or at least it seemed that way) and I think that was because he had decided not to force as many throws into coverage so he wouldn’t be at risk for as many turnovers. That is good, and it shows maturity, but now the next step is continuing to check down (which he did very well as a senior) and finding ways to get the ball out quicker, or just throwing the ball away. I have rarely seen him throw the ball away but I think that with the progression he has shown he can absolutely learn to do it, especially if he gets a year or two to develop. I have also not seen Stanzi “throw” his receivers open and sometimes his anticipation on his throws leaves something to be desired. He could also use work on going through some of his progressions because at times he seems to know where he is going with the ball before it is snapped. That can be good on a quick throw but bad on plays that take longer to develop.

Overall: I like Stanzi a lot as a prospect, especially because this quarterback class is so weak. He may not have a rocket arm, but his short and intermediate passes have plenty of zip and he has good enough accuracy to challenge defenses on 15+ yard throws downfield with quality passes. He will struggle to truly stretch the field over the top though because he does not have an accurate deep ball and doesn’t have the requisite arm strength to lead his receivers beyond safety help. The only quality deep passes I have seen him throw were passes with little or no over the top safety help where he could float the ball and let his receiver run under it. But Stanzi worked very hard to improve as a Senior and it showed in his stats, and I think he has the potential to be a very effective leader in the NFL as he was at Iowa. I don’t think he will ever be a Pro-Bowler just because he doesn’t have an abundance of natural talent, but he will get the most out of his ability because of his work ethic and attitude. He will probably still make some bad decisions and bad throws on deep passes in the NFL, but he can definitely be a quality starter despite the occasional mistakes downfield. He has the arm strength to keep defenses honest so they can’t just take away the short routes that he throws well. Plus I think he has a good feel for the pocket and buys time without leaving the pocket quite well.

Projection: 3rd round. He is a bit underrated in my opinion but I would definitely pick him in the 3rd. Like I said, he probably won’t ever be a Pro-Bowler but I think you can win a Super Bowl with him, especially with his intangibles and work ethic.

SKILLS 1-poor, 2-weak, 3-above average, 4-very good, 5-elite

Arm Strength: 3.5
Accuracy: 3.5
Mobility: 3.0
Decision Making: 3.5
Mechanics: 3.5
Pocket Awareness: 4.0
Intangibles: 4.0

Hopefully you enjoyed my Stanzi scouting report. As promised Marcell Dareus is still being worked on, and I will finish up some more quarterback reports here in the near future. Thanks for reading!

–Tom

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Scouting Report:

McElroy is a smart, fundamentally sound quarterback but he doesn't have a lot of upside.

Positives: McElroy has decent size, some mobility to extend plays, slightly above average arm strength and pretty consistent accuracy. He is accurate on short throws and pretty accurate on intermediate passes, and has a pretty good feel for the pocket for when to step up, side-step the rush and when he should scramble to buy more time. He doesn’t throw a great ball on the run but he is quite good at isolating a defender on the outside and forcing them to commit to him or a receiver and then flicking the ball over his head if the defender commits to him. He has solid zip on intermediate throws and leads his receivers well on short throws. He is very intelligent and should have no problem learning and thriving in a NFL offense given his two years of starting experience in a pro-style offense at Alabama. Because of that offense he is comfortable going through reads and progressions but in college that was not always necessary. He also has experience dropping from center and executing play action fakes. McElroy also has pretty sound mechanics as far as footwork and his throwing motion is concerned.

Negatives: While McElroy is a fundamentally sound player he does have his flaws. For one thing he frequently stared Julio Jones down during his two years as Alabama’s starting quarterback. It’s hard to blame him for that since Jones is so talented, but for a guy who is regularly mentioned as a very smart player and as a guy who has no problem going through progressions in Alabama’s pro style offensive scheme he sure did like to stare Julio down a lot. McElroy will also struggle with ball placement on throws outside of ten or so yards. On deep curls or more downfield throws he will not lead his receivers appropriately, throwing the ball a bit behind them or throwing it high making the catch more difficult than it would have been if he led the receiver. I also have not seen McElroy anticipate throws or throw receivers open. A few times I saw him hold onto the ball too long and take sacks because he didn’t attempt to throw his receiver open, particularly against zone coverage. I don’t know if that is a confidence issue or if he is thinking too much and doesn’t want to throw a pass that might end up being intercepted, but not throwing guys open like that is something that worries me about him. His anticipation does leave something to be desired and sometimes he will be late on timing throws and that will lead to interceptions in the NFL (it has occasionally in college as well). His arm strength really is nothing to write home about, and while he has better accuracy it isn’t otherworldly either. At times his throwing motion will be a little bit slow for my liking, particularly on longer throws that he knows he needs some extra strength to make.

Overall: McElroy is a sound guy who is going to make the most of his ability, the problem is there isn’t a lot of natural ability to take advantage of. He doesn’t have great size, his arm strength is average, his accuracy is above average, and he’s an average athlete. He will make the most of that ability thanks to his intelligence and his work ethic, but his ceiling is not very high and even though he only started for two years at Alabama I don’t think there is much untapped potential that any teams will discover in him once he makes it to the NFL. He has the potential to be a solid starter who manages the game and won’t force passes into coverage and cost his team the game but I don’t think he will ever be a guy who can win a game late for his team either without a very good supporting cast like he had at Alabama.

Projection: Late 3rd/Mid 4th round. I think McElroy would be a 4th or 5th rounder in a better quarterback class but this class is so terrible that he may very well end up in the 3rd round. It will be interesting because whoever drafts him is likely picking a guy who will be a back-up for two or so years before getting a chance to start. If he can go to a team laden with talent on offense he could have success as a starter, but he won’t make his teammates better for being their quarterback despite his leadership ability and his quality intangibles.

SKILLS
1-poor, 2-weak, 3-above average, 4-very good, 5-elite

Arm Strength: 2.5
Accuracy: 3.0
Mobility: 2.5
Decision Making: 3.5
Mechanics: 3.5
Pocket Awareness: 3.5
Intangibles: 4.0

Thanks for reading! Dareus is on the way still!

–Tom

Here are some players who had up and down weeks at the East-West Shrine Game and thus did not improve or hurt their stock. I got pretty long winded in some of these so these are just the offensive guys that I thought warranted mentioning. The defensive guys that didn’t improve their stocks and the players I thought hurt themselves in Orlando will round out the third post I do on this subject. Sorry for the delay on this, school takes up a lot of my time as I’m sure you can all imagine. Enjoy!

Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho: I am a fan of Nathan Enderle but he had an inconsistent week at the East-West Shrine Game. His ball placement was inconsistent during the practices but overall I think he improved over the course of the week. More than anything I think Enderle struggles to be consistent. He showed this during the game when he struggled with accuracy a bit when he first came in, but then he helped lead the West to their only scoring drive of the entire game when he threw a TD pass with good touch and then converted a 2pt conversion. After that he struggled a bit again. He has a strong arm and he has the ability to put the ball wherever he wants it, he just doesn’t do it consistently. That limits his draft stock as a quarterback. However, he has good size, arm strength and he flashes good ball placement. He has delivered late in games before, and I think with a year or two of development he could eventually be a solid NFL starting QB. I think he could use some coaching on his footwork because that might have something to do with his inconsistent accuracy. He also tends to miss high more than anything else, so despite his fluid throwing motion maybe they could tinker with his release point? That’s just one possible thing they could try. Regardless, he has tools worth developing and I think he will stick in the nfl as a back-up at least. I do think he could be a solid starter in the future though.

Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware: Devlin had an up and down week and was not impressive during the game on Saturday either. Clearly he is adjusting to making his throws after taking the ball from under center and going through his drops instead of setting up to throw after taking a shotgun snap. We have all seen his accuracy so we know he can throw an accurate ball, but he would have really helped his stock if he had shown better ball placement this week. I think he is worth a 3rd or 4th round pick at this point because he has solid arm strength, good accuracy and solid size. I think he can be an above-average starter in the NFL but I am not as high on him as others seem to be.

Scott Tolzien, QB, Wisconsin: Tolzien probably had the best week of practice of any of the QB’s because he was consistent with his ball placement and further demonstrated that he has above average arm strength. It occurred to me that he has a bit of a hitch in his throwing motion that a coach will have to try to tinker with, but other than that his mechanics aren’t bad. He has experience in a pro style offense and is very familiar with play action fakes from playing at Wisconsin. I think he will be a 7th round pick but if he doesn’t get drafted I’m sure he will be signed as an undrafted free agent. I think he will be a career backup in the NFL but that isn’t a bad living by any means.

Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech: Taylor didn’t have a great week either. He measured in at over 6 feet tall which, as stupid as it sounds, is important for his stock if he wants to play QB in the NFL. He had the best zip on his passes of anyone here in my opinion but his ball placement consistently left some to be desired. I don’t know how comfortable he is at reading defenses and he still tends to drop his eyes and look at the rush. He does this more than I would like instead of moving in the pocket to find throwing lanes. I don’t know if he will ever have the instinct to run and extend the play outside of the pocket “coached out of him” which makes me question his ceiling. He might be able to be an average NFL starter, but I think he will have to spend a few years as a back-up before he even gets a chance to try that.

Graig Cooper, RB, Miami: Cooper seemed to be regaining his previous form that he had before his injury which was good to see. He looked faster and quicker than he did over the course of the season which is what I was hoping to see. He seemed to be regaining his previous burst though I am not sure how good his footwork and vision is. He seems to dance around in the backfield a bit much for my liking and sometimes tries to bounce things outside when he should take what he can get. I think he will be a solid third down back and special team threat in the NFL especially if he can get healthy and stay that way. He showed soft hands all week and when he gets in the open field he has the shiftiness to make guys miss. I think he is probably a 5th round pick at this point because of the injury and his lack of production during the season this year. However, good interviews and a good showing at the combine could help him even in a deep running back class.

Vai Taua, RB, Nevada: Taua had an up and down week in my opinion, but he runs hard and he has pretty soft hands out of the backfield. The first couple days he dropped a couple passes which made me question his hands, but he bounced back as the week progressed. I don’t think he will be a feature back in the NFL, but I think he has the potential to stick as a late round guy who can pound the ball between the tackles and also catch the ball out of the backfield effectively. I think his ceiling is a more compact Jason Snelling who has made a lot of quality contributions to the Falcons since he was drafted there.

Da’Rel Scott, RB, Maryland: I am not a big Da’Rel Scott fan to be honest, and I was disappointed that he had what I thought was a mediocre week at the East-West Shrine Game and garnered an invitation to the Senior Bowl over Delone Carter who I consider the better player even if he isn’t as well known. Regardless, Scott showed inconsistent hands all week at the East-West Shrine Game but flashed better hands on the last day of practice I saw as well as in the game. He has great straight line speed but I am not sold on him as a feature back in the NFL.

Alex Green, RB, Hawaii: Green had an up and down week because he showed much better burst and speed than I expected him to have and he showed good route running and hands as a receiver which was great to see. However he fumbled on the first snap of the game and I’m not sure that he has anything better than 4.55 speed and I don’t think he has very good vision. I am not sure he will be drafted before the 6th or 7th round if he is drafted at all. He has tools though so he could stick even as a UDFA, but he has things to work on to be sure.

Terrence Turner, WR, Indiana: Turner is a very confusing guy to me. He has impressive size and probably 4.5-4.55 speed… but he could not catch the ball all week in practice. He would body catch, he would drop passes with his hands, he just looked completely unimpressive all week. It was not an up and down affair at all, he just looked terrible. But then the game comes around and he was making catches away from his body with his hands and I didn’t see him drop a single pass all game. I was completely dumbfounded. The practices are important, but I think the game holds weight also so I elected to not grade him as a loser for this week given his surprising performance in the game. He had to do something like that to give him any chance to be drafted, so I’d say his stock is unchanged. I’d say he is at most a 6th or 7th rounder at this point but there were some flashes in that game that intrigued me as a late round developmental receiver.

Armon Binns, WR, Cincinnati: Binns was inconsistent this week. He didn’t get off jams at the line of scrimmage well, he doesn’t seem to like contact much, and because of his size and long strides I have noticed he doesn’t have much burst in and out of his breaks as a receiver which hurts his ability to create separation. He has good hands and long arms which helps his cause, but I am not sure he will be anything more than a solid #2 unless he finds a way to get a lot more explosion and suddenness out of his route running. He seems more like a straight-line speed guy to me.

Anthony Parker, WR, Calgary: Parker started out well because I had never seen him and he was catching everything thrown his way and he was creating solid separation but he seemed to progressively lose momentum as the week went on. He was on Ryan Whalen’s level of not letting any passes thrown near him fall to the ground the first couple days, but he seemed to be rounding off his breaks more as the week continued, he let a couple passes get into his chest and he dropped a couple passes. You would prefer to see a player start off poorly and then improve throughout the week if they are going to start out badly at all, but Parker did the opposite and that hurts him a bit. However, he definitely showed ability that I was not sure he would have, so he should garner some attention in the 7th round or as a UDFA should he not get drafted.

Lester Jean, WR, Florida Atlantic: Some are much higher on Jean than I am, I thought he had an ok week but he started out pretty slow much like Perry Baker did, but his route running did not improve like Baker’s did over the week. He seems to waste steps when making his breaks on curls for instance, and did not create consistent separation that I saw all week. He body catches a lot and I didn’t see him make clean catches away from his hands much during the week. He has pretty good size and speed for the position and inconsistent hands, so there is potential for him to develop into a solid possession receiver in the NFL if he can clean up his footwork and route running. You can work on catching the ball once you get to the NFL too, so if he is committed he can improve. However I wouldn’t draft him before the 5th round right now.

Virgil Green, TE, Nevada: I liked what I saw from Green this week. He was selling out for every pass that he could get to, even diving for a pass that was well overthrown on a ballroom carpet on the first day of practice. He showed good hands by making nice catches away from his body and while I am not sure he will ever be a dynamic TE I think he can be a reliable target. He isn’t a burner at the position so while that is a bit disappointing I was very encouraged by some of the blocking I saw from him this week. He had a few nice drive blocks, one or two even on players as big as him (if not a bit bigger). He has some work to do as a run blocker, but he showed some nice flashes of drive blocking that I did not expect to see from him at all.

Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson: Hairston has really long arms so while he does not have good lateral mobility I think he has a NFL future as a back-up RT that could potentially develop into a solid starter. He struggled with speed rushers, but he used his long arms effectively to keep smaller players from getting off of his blocks and he had at least solid lateral agility to force some speed rush attempts wide of the QB and didn’t seem particularly susceptible to inside moves either. He’s a late round pick, but he has the potential to develop into a starter.

Jah Reid, OT, Central Florida: Jah Reid is a guy that I was not particularly impressed with. He bends at the waist a lot, and when I saw this regularly the first two days of practice I didn’t pay much attention to him the rest of the week. I think he’s a 6th/7th round pick that has the ceiling of an ok back-up. Others thought he had a good week but I am just not impressed with him.

Hopefully you enjoyed reading my thoughts, let me know what you think of them and look forward for my final notes as well as some scouting reports as I find free time to scout over the next couple weeks. I am also working on a mock, but I’m going to wait until after the Superbowl to really put a lot of effort into completing it. Thanks for reading!

–Tom

Player Name – College – Height(Feet,inches,/8′s) – Weight

Quarterbacks

Andy Dalton – TCU – 6020 – 213
Colin Kaepernick – Nevada – 6045 – 225
Jake Locker – Washington – 6022 – 228
Greg McElroy – Alabama – 6016 – 222
Christian Ponder – Florida State – 6021 – 222
Ricky Stanzi – Iowa – 6041 – 221

Running Backs

Anthony Allen – Georgia Tech – 5116 – 223
Noel Devine – West Virginia – 5070 – 160
Charles Clay – Tulsa – 6031 – 239
Roy Helu Jr. – Nebraska – 5113 – 216
Kendall Hunter – Oklahoma St. – 5072 – 199
Derrick Locke – Kentucky – 5081 – 186
Owen Marecic– Stanford – 6003 – 246
DeMarco Murray – Oklahoma – 6000 – 214
Bilal Powell – Louisville – 5103 – 204
Da’Rel Scott – Maryland – 5107 – 205

Wide Receivers

Vincent Brown – San Diego St. – 5110 – 184
Edmund Gates – Abilene Christian – 5115 – 189
Leonard Hankerson – Miami – 6015 – 205
Dwayne Harris – ECU – 5097 – 200
Ronald Johnson – USC – 5111 – 186
Jeremy Kerley – TCU – 5092 – 188
Niles Paul – Nebraska – 6007 – 225
Austin Pettis – Boise State – 6024 – 205
Greg Salas – Hawaii – 6011 – 206
Courtney Smith – South Alabama – 6040 – 220
Titus Young – Boise State – 5112 – 174

Tight Ends

Preston Dial – Alabama – 6021 – 238
Lance Kendricks – Wisconsin – 6031 – 240
Mike McNeill – Nebraska – 6036 – 232
Lee Smith – Marshall – 6057 – 269
Luke Stocker – Tennessee – 6047 – 255
D.J. Williams – Arkansas – 6017 – 236

Offensive Tackles

Clint Boling – Georgia – 6047 – 310
James Brewer – Indiana – 6062 – 323
Gabe Carimi – Wisconsin – 6071 – 315
James Carpenter – Alabama – 6046 – 313
Anthony Castanzo – Boston College – 6071 – 305
Marcus Gilbert – Florida – 6064 – 329
DeMarcus Love – Arkansas – 6045 – 318
Derek Sherrod – Miss. St. – 6055 – 312
Nate Solder – Colorado – 6082 – 314
Lee Ziemba – Auburn – 6060 – 317

Guards/Centers

Brandon Fusco – Slippery Rock – 6041 – 302
Rodney Hudson – Florida State – 6022 – 291
Jake Kirkpatrick – TCU – 6022 – 301
Kevin Kowalski – Toledo – 6031 – 300
John Moffitt – Wisconsin – 6040 – 314
Kris O’Dowd – USC – 6042 – 303
Jason Pinkston – Pittsburgh – 6033 – 313
Stephen Schilling – Michigan – 6042 – 302
Danny Watkins – Baylor – 6034 – 312

Defensive Ends

Sam Acho – Texas – 6016 – 257
Pierre Allen – Nebraska – 6037 – 273
Allen Bailey – Miami – 6032 – 278
Christian Ballard – Iowa – 6041 –  288
Jeremy Beal – Oklahoma – 6023 – 268
Cameron Jordan – California – 6041 – 287
Ryan Kerrigan – Purdue – 6037 – 255
Pernell McPhee – Miss. St. – 6027 – 274
Brooks Reed – Arizona – 6024 – 257

Defensive Tackles

Sione Fua – Stanford – 6016 – 307
Jarvis Jenkins – Clemson – 6037 – 309
Chris Neild – West Virginia – 6017 – 313
Stephen Paea – Oregon St. – 6011 – 295
Phil Taylor – Baylor – 6034 – 337
Cedrick Thornton – Southern Arkansas – 6035 – 299
Ian Williams – Notre Dame – 6013 – 311

Linebackers

Josh Bynes – Auburn – 6013 – 239
Mason Foster – Washington – 6011 – 241
Mark Herzlich – Boston College – 6035 – 250
Ross Homan – Ohio State – 6003 – 229
Nate Irving – NC State – 6012 – 242
Greg Jones – Michigan State – 5117 – 240
Casey Matthews – Oregon – 6006 – 232
Colin McCarthy – Miami – 6012 – 235
Von Miller – Texas A&M – 6025 – 237
Kelvin Shepperd – LSU – 6021 – 250
Chris White – Miss. St. – 6027 – 244
Lawrence Wilson – Connecticut – 6006 – 225
K.J. Wright – Miss. St. – 6031 – 246

Defensive Backs

Ahmad Black – Florida – 5093 – 183
Curtis Brown – Texas – 5115 – 180
Jalil Brown – Colorado – 6002 – 202
Kendric Burney – North Carolina – 5090 – 181
Rashad Carmichael – Virgina Tech – 5095 – 185
Quinton Carter – Oklahoma – 6005 – 211
Zac Etheridge – Auburn – 5114 – 201
Marcus Gilchrist – Clemson – 5097 – 193
Jaiquawn Jarrett – Temple – 5117 – 196
Joseph Lefeged – Rutgers – 5112 – 208
Curtis Marsh – Utah State – 6001 – 194
DeAndre McDaniel – Clemson – 6001 – 213
Johnny Patrick – Louisville – 5104 – 185
Da’Norris Searcy – North Carolina – 5105 – 216
Richard Sherman – Stanford –
DeMarcus Van Dyke – Miami – 6006 – 168
Shareece Wright – USC – 5110 – 182

Long Snappers

Danny Aiken – Virginia – 6044 – 246
Christian Yount – UCLA – 6000 – 241

Kickers/Punters

Kai Forbath – UCLA – 5105 – 191
Ale Henery – Nebraska – 6011 – 178
Chas Henry – Florida – 6033 – 220
Josh Jasper – LSU – 5100 – 173

Information courtesy of http://www.sidelinescouting.com/

Some interesting stuff in here. But as we all know there is a lot more to a player than their size. It will be very fun to see how some of these guys do this week. I am particularly interested in how Lance Kendricks, Allen Bailey and of course all the QB’s do. Especially Ponder and Locker because of their relatively disappointing seasons this year. Hopefully Ponder is healthy enough to throw, but if he’s not he should just drop out and get healthy.

Can’t wait to see how this week turns out. I won’t be there unfortunately but I hope (and plan) to go next year. I will definitely watch the game and post notes on it after I re-watch it. I am working on transcribing my interviews from my week at the East-West Shrine game and also on a “Winners and Losers” post reviewing the game and the week overall. That should be up in the next day or two hopefully. The interviews will take a while though.

Thanks for reading and happy Senior Bowl week!

–Tom